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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 12:24 pm 
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It is easy to see that Congress Ministers want a mass movement in favor of Jan Lokpal. Why? How?

Ministers have kept provision in Sarkari Lokpal that if a person files false complaint, he will be imprisoned for at least 2 years. Whereas if govt officer is convicted, minimum punishment will be six months

And 10s of such clauses

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So all these clauses are added to ensure that any citizen will eventually end up liking Jan Lokpal.

So question comes up is : why is Congress deliberately making a draft that people would hate moment they have cursory glance?

The only one logical answer can be --- the bosses of Congress, namely MNCs, themselves want Jan Lokpal, and so they are asking Congress to put a draft that would only further ensure that people prefer Jan Lokpal.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 12:26 pm 
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I am guessing the events which might take place August 16 onwards-

1) Anna ji goes on indefinite fast from August 16

2) Anna ji fasts for four five days. Then Sonia or some Congress person says , they are ready to take in some or whole of IAC demands.

3) Congress supporters rejoice that the government has done a `good` thing and give all credits to the congress for that.
IAC fans rejoice that the congress has given in, at least partially and that there is some progress.

4) In the first year, the lokpal will be hyperactive and show that there is reduction in corruption by making complaints against ministers/top level people.

Second year onwards, the lokpal works according to the MNCs and start harassing honest officers, small businessmen.

Third year onwards, blame is put on the common man that his morality is low, there fore corruption is high. This is done to do away focus on bad procedures.
So, people start classes for morality.

Later, some people suggest we need a better law or we need judicial reforms or electoral reforms.

Then starts the same procedure over and again.

Congress wins 2014 lok sabha elections on giving janlokpal to people , & rahul g become pm as clean as his father

In all this, common people never get their rights, right to replace/punish the corrupt or even to make a transparent complaint.

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Now , please decide , if this is what you people want ??


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 12:28 pm 
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The main goal of MNCs is to kill weapon manufacturing in India. Lokpals will reduce corruption in many ordinary civil dept using simple computerization and claim credit. And Lokpals will ruin careers of MPs, IAS pushing for weapon manufacturing and thus make India a slave of MNCs.

Many times corruption becomes zero just by simple computerization. eg many years back, getting income tax refund involved giving corruption. Now, you can do e-filing, give bank acct number and get money back in few months without giving one rupee of bribe. Same way when some simple changes are brought in processes, small tix corruption vanishes.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 12:29 pm 
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you asked "If MNCs are really want janlokpal, and they controlled congress then why they forced govt. to make sarkari lokpal which against Janlokpal???? What is the profit they are gaining by it?? I mean creating conflict between govt and public??? They can easily forced congress to accept janlokpal??? I cant get your point."

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Ask from reverse. (1)who benefits most by concetrating all punitive powers in 11 heads? Someone sitting in NYC/London will benefit most, as now he doesnt need to bargain and haggle with 100s of officers/Ministers/judges etc all across India

(2)Why Anna opposed RTR-Lokpal? What harm can RTR-Lokpal clauses do?

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Where is the confilcit between Congress and Anna? Congress has proposed a bill, that is so so weak and bad, than any person would run to support Anna's bill. The gain is --- giving a fake sense of victory to commons, and creating a new leader (Anna) so that influence of Ramdev vanishes. In addition the whole issue of black money too will get erased from public minds. One stone - three birds

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Janlokpal makes MNCs more powerful over 1000s of local businessmen over India. Because 1000s of local businessmen have clout with local collectors, local MLAs, local MPs, local judges etc where MNCs have clout only with key people in Mumbai/Delhi. So once 11 MNC-pals get powers to imprision anyone and everyone, MNCs will become stronger than local businessmen

And RTR-Lokpal makes people more powerful than BOTH !! Which is why Anna, Congress, BJP etc all oppose Right to Recall Lokpal


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 12:31 pm 
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Lokpal can only "probe", but once he files charges, the person will be in prison till he gets bail. Now consider a police officer in Gujarat Vanazara. He is being probed. And he has been in prison for six years !! So all in all, Lokpal has enough power to ruin career and life of officers, Ministers etc

you are right "Ok i understood that he can harass by investigation" .... harass to a point that mere "probe" can wreck the person. Just see case of IPS Vanazara. Supreme Court judges appointed an SIT to merely probe his act of encountering a criminal named Sahabuddin. And as a result of mere probe, Vazanara is in prison for past 5 years !!!

So power to probe in India is enough to ruin the life of IAS, IPS, Minister etc. And Lokpal has unlimited power to probe. In fact, he can even freeze all the property by just showing doubt and then let the case go on for decades. There is NO punishment if Lokpal doesnt finish probe even in 10 years

Investigators in West have powers, but there is Right to Recall over them and there is Jury over them. So they dont sell out outrightly. Anna has refused to have RTR over Lokpal and Anna is also opposing Jury System in Lokpal. So Lokpal + SCjs will have all powers and no accountability. Is that what YOU support?


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 12:41 pm 
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Our goal is to expose and exterminate corrupt Ministers, judges, IAS, IPS and our goal is also to reduce wrongful dominance of MNCs and Corporates. The mediamen are agents of MNCs and Corporates, who are worse than Ministers etc. So we must expose them as well.

Let me give analogy. The last Hindu King of Delhi - Prithviraj Chauhan had many plus points --- brave , excellent archer etc. But had terrible minus points --- he would stay whole day with his queens, take ganja and pay no attention to running regime or improving Military. During his time, due to his callousness, the officers had become extremely corrupt and despotic. So much so, that a large number of traders etc had started fleeing Delhi.

So it makes perfect case to expel such useless king.

But that does NOT mean we should be supporting Ghori.

Same way, Ministers, judges are bad. But these mediamen are agents of Ghori (aka MNCs). We must expose them as well. Boycott is the first step.


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